It is no secret that Dharma will be back in the new season of Lost. Apparently, when the island transports to a certain time it reawakens those who were the islands previous tenants. Well, it is all starting to come together. I believe this can explain people like Richard, the Egyptians, Yellow jumpsuit guy (who I am positive is Kelvin Joe Inman because I could see the rip on his jumpsuit leg) and1970's Dharma Initiative on the island in "present day."
Imagine me air-quoting "present day," I'm using the crash survivors time as present time (even though I believe they are now in the late 70s or early 80s).
So what does this all mean? Well, it means that anyone who dies on the island isn't really dead forever, but possibly out of phase (for lack of better terminology). Second, it may explain the whispers as previous "out of phase" inhabitants being able to witness events, but not really interact.
Thinking points:
Once you are alive on the island you don't die naturally?
1. That wouldn't explain why Ben aged on the island unless point #5 is true.
2. It would explain Black Rock people.
3. The presence of living Black Rock, Ancient Egyptians, etc. would seem to support this though as I don't think the island has been moved so much in a short time (say since Dharma took the island).
4. Unless! Dharma moved the island indiscriminately at some point for scientific research. I still think they used the polar bears to pull the lever which is why they found modern polar bears with modern Dharma tags in the desert during a dig for artifacts.
It would certainly prove to be a reason why the Island (specifically Jacob) would want Dharma wiped out in the purge; Jacob may or may not really speak for the island.
5. Could the island inhabitants be people from past and future movings of the island. Maybe Richard is from a future island move and that is why he doesn't age. Perhaps once he enters his own timeline again he will start aging?
Wednesday, November 26, 2008
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Of Cabins and Coffins
I was pondering Lost this morning and started wondering about the Cabin. Something was definitely fishy with the way Locke found the Cabin at the end of Season 4 and I just put my finger on it.
It was the wrong cabin!
Horace gave Locke a way to find the real physical cabin, but is that really where Jacob is or has Locke been mislead? The clue to this is where the plans for the cabin are found - on Horace's physical body. Let's think about this:
- On the Island there are often distinctions made between physical and spiritual/ non-corporeal/ mystical.
- There is a distinction between the visage of Horace and the physical skeleton in the pit.
- There is a distinction between the Cabin that Horace built and the mystical moving cabin that Jacob resides in.
So, this all started when I asked myself where Jacob was and why he didn't speak to Locke himself. Then it hit me, Locke wasn't at Jacob's cabin (you know the one that moves all over the place and seemed desperate to get Hurley to enter a short time earlier). My conclusion is that the order to move the island may not have come from Jacob at all, but from Christian (?), Horace (Dharma) and possibly Widmore.
Now, if you haven't read my faction theory, please find it a few posts down or the rest of this won't make as much sense:
What I'm trying to get at is that Locke may have been manipulated by the Dharma faction to move the island and possibly upset Jacob's plans. I am now thinking that Christian isn't in league with Jacob at all (just because they're both ghosties doesn't mean they have to like each other), but is the spiritual (i.e. Jacob-like) leader of another faction not yet in control of the island. Heck, Widmore may have ordered the freighter to the island (and given the other protocals to set things up for Christian to convince Locke to move the island.
Note that Locke never tells Ben that the orders didn't come straight from Jacob.
On another note, I saw a post that got me thinking about the coffins. Is it me or does Christian's Season 1 coffin look a lot like Locke's coffin in Season 4? I need pictures of the two to compare, but I am wondering if there is something to this. I have often speculated that the show will again find itself where it began - Jack's eyes opening in the field.
It was the wrong cabin!
Horace gave Locke a way to find the real physical cabin, but is that really where Jacob is or has Locke been mislead? The clue to this is where the plans for the cabin are found - on Horace's physical body. Let's think about this:
- On the Island there are often distinctions made between physical and spiritual/ non-corporeal/ mystical.
- There is a distinction between the visage of Horace and the physical skeleton in the pit.
- There is a distinction between the Cabin that Horace built and the mystical moving cabin that Jacob resides in.
So, this all started when I asked myself where Jacob was and why he didn't speak to Locke himself. Then it hit me, Locke wasn't at Jacob's cabin (you know the one that moves all over the place and seemed desperate to get Hurley to enter a short time earlier). My conclusion is that the order to move the island may not have come from Jacob at all, but from Christian (?), Horace (Dharma) and possibly Widmore.
Now, if you haven't read my faction theory, please find it a few posts down or the rest of this won't make as much sense:
What I'm trying to get at is that Locke may have been manipulated by the Dharma faction to move the island and possibly upset Jacob's plans. I am now thinking that Christian isn't in league with Jacob at all (just because they're both ghosties doesn't mean they have to like each other), but is the spiritual (i.e. Jacob-like) leader of another faction not yet in control of the island. Heck, Widmore may have ordered the freighter to the island (and given the other protocals to set things up for Christian to convince Locke to move the island.
Note that Locke never tells Ben that the orders didn't come straight from Jacob.
On another note, I saw a post that got me thinking about the coffins. Is it me or does Christian's Season 1 coffin look a lot like Locke's coffin in Season 4? I need pictures of the two to compare, but I am wondering if there is something to this. I have often speculated that the show will again find itself where it began - Jack's eyes opening in the field.
Tuesday, September 9, 2008
Summer Sucks for Lost Geeks!
Summer sucks because there is hardly any Lost news. I loved the Comic Con footage, but other than the possible time travel of Dr. Marvin Candle (and all his aliases), there wasn't much new to chew on. Unfortunately, as a complete Lost geek, I have nothing better to do that chew on my past pet theories:
I'm still holding firm to my belief that last year's video footage gave us an answer about the "drops." I believe this year's video holds more clues that the drops are in "perpetuity" because they, like the number bunnies, fall from the sky at intervals. I refuse to believe that there is a real Dharma plane reaching the island just to drop wine boxes when the freighter had such a hard time of it. To say nothing of... what factory exists simply to plop white labels on cheap chardonay?
Let's wait and if there is another drop in the next season, then there is more going on than a simple air drop. After all, the island has moved; I'm sure it would be impossible to find simply to make a scheduled supply drop. The only caveat is that I'm not sure if there was a tie between the drops and the continued operation of the hatch. There certainly seemed to be a correlation between the blast doors and the drop. Time will tell.
I'm still holding firm to my belief that last year's video footage gave us an answer about the "drops." I believe this year's video holds more clues that the drops are in "perpetuity" because they, like the number bunnies, fall from the sky at intervals. I refuse to believe that there is a real Dharma plane reaching the island just to drop wine boxes when the freighter had such a hard time of it. To say nothing of... what factory exists simply to plop white labels on cheap chardonay?
Let's wait and if there is another drop in the next season, then there is more going on than a simple air drop. After all, the island has moved; I'm sure it would be impossible to find simply to make a scheduled supply drop. The only caveat is that I'm not sure if there was a tie between the drops and the continued operation of the hatch. There certainly seemed to be a correlation between the blast doors and the drop. Time will tell.
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Kelian's Faction theory on Lost
Perhaps Abaddon was on the Black Rock as well as Richard Alpert. That would explain two separate factions both interested in the island and the "chosen one," which so far they seem to be.
Take it a step further:
Abaddon, Alpert and perhaps Widmore or someone controlling him (since I believe he would also count as a faction) could all be from the same period and be looking for their individual chosen ones. The chosen ones could be known by an item that was theirs - such as the knife for the hunter, the book of laws for the leader and the compass for the navigator (these are just on the fly examples using the objects shown to Locke).
Abaddon (or his controlling faction) gets Locke (knife) because he is the hunter:
- This would explain why Alpert seemed disgusted when Locke picked the knife.
- This could be why Locke has a constant desire to be the hunter as seen in high school (wanting to be physical) and at the pot farm (choosing hunter over farmer).
- Abaddon finds Locke while at the hospital to try to encourage him to take his place as the hunter and to put him in a position to get on the island (going to Australia on a walkabout.
Widmore gets Desmond as the navigator (compass) or investor(sand like grains) or could be another substance - did it look like gold granules that you would pan out of the water kind of?:
- This would explain one reason why he was compelled to accept the very strange gift of a boat and take the challenge.
- When it gets down to it Desmond's actions opened the island for Widmore's people to reach it.
- It is possible that Widmore or his compatriots had control of the island during the Dharma days. I am saying this because of the dharma logos on the freighter.
- Widmore had the Black Rock diary and perhaps a picture of the BR in his bedroom (?). So, he has an obvious stake or interest in the fate of the ship.
- I haven't decided if Widmore is the leader of the faction or the chosen one of a faction whose leader we may not be sure of - perhaps of the Others during the time of the DI.
- The DI seemed to show up pretty unexpectedly when Ben was born. It could be that they were waiting to get control of Ben, so that Alpert or Abaddon couldn't have him. After all, since Alpert was at Locke's birth they may have a way to detect possible "chosen one" births or it may be familial lineage that they are monitoring.
Alpert gets Ben (the Book of Laws) as the leader:
- Ben proves leadership by following the orders to kill the DI and his father.
- He also continues to show leadership with the others and doesn't start to incur the wrath of the island (his cancer) until he starts to have problems with leadership in his camp. I believe this could be when Juliet comes to the island and he acts so strange making the others somewhat wary of him. Obsession often brings down leaders.
The Island chooses who it favors at the time and represents destiny (remember Ben's line about destiny?). The island may be represented by Jacob.
Now, perhaps Alpert wants to change Locke from the hunter to the leader in order to strip Abaddon of his chosen one and/or replace Ben. Therefore, he has Locke do the same deed as Ben. Only, Locke takes even more of a leadership role in the death of his father by designating the task to another who he knows will do his dirty work (Sawyer) and using manipulative tactics. At this point, the island (who may not be seeming to favor Alpert's group as much) sees Locke as it's new chosen one and whoever he belongs to (Abaddon or Alpert) will be the ruling faction of the island.
Now, as far as Black Rock I was thinking:
Widmore (financier/investor of BR - may have ruled during Dharma days which also takes heavy investment)
Abaddon (slaves being transported)
Alpert (ship crew)
So, all this could be the playing out of an ancient battle over the island. It's probably not the first time that the island had controlling factions and it probably won't be the last. I believe the island represents almost an obsessive type of destiny. It may be that the old spirits of the island (Jacob, the whispers) are waging a never ending war by trapping anyone who enters their domain into the cycle of battle. In fact, the statue may represent an ancient race that once played one of the same roles now played by Alpert, Widmore or Abaddon.
I am going through the episodes now and working on refining the theory quite a bit. I'm thinking the whispers could be the disembodied voices of anyone who died on the island, but particularly the original civilizations. Notice that the island seems to be constantly working to split up groups. Even the plane splits into three. The obvious example is the split between the John and Locke camps. However, if you go deeper even the work of the Dharma project seems to pit groups against each other. After all, they had people spying on another group and then writing notes. It is obvious that nobody cared what they had to write since the tubes were flying off into the jungle in a heap, so the whole thing just seems like a project in creating or studying conflict/ human group behavior.
Furthermore, I've noticed that not all the "ancient" looking architecture and art jives stylistically. Some is Egyptian (hieroglyphics) and some is Greco-Roman (columns and "foot" statue). I doubt that all of it would be made by a single civilization. Egyptians had a less realistic figures that tended to be in a stiff sideways position. Whereas, the Romans had more realistic and relaxed poses. (I know there was mixing after the spread of the Roman empire, such as the Fayum masks, but I doubt the writers would go that deeply into it just to trick the audience).
I am also tossing around the idea that the electromagnetism not only effects time but may be the means to make the disembodied inhabitants either manifest in a corporeal way or inhabit dead bodies. We know now that Christian, for example, is solid since he could hold Aaron. I love rational science, so the Ghost Hunter-like EMF causing manifestation idea almost goes against my very nature.
Take it a step further:
Abaddon, Alpert and perhaps Widmore or someone controlling him (since I believe he would also count as a faction) could all be from the same period and be looking for their individual chosen ones. The chosen ones could be known by an item that was theirs - such as the knife for the hunter, the book of laws for the leader and the compass for the navigator (these are just on the fly examples using the objects shown to Locke).
Abaddon (or his controlling faction) gets Locke (knife) because he is the hunter:
- This would explain why Alpert seemed disgusted when Locke picked the knife.
- This could be why Locke has a constant desire to be the hunter as seen in high school (wanting to be physical) and at the pot farm (choosing hunter over farmer).
- Abaddon finds Locke while at the hospital to try to encourage him to take his place as the hunter and to put him in a position to get on the island (going to Australia on a walkabout.
Widmore gets Desmond as the navigator (compass) or investor(sand like grains) or could be another substance - did it look like gold granules that you would pan out of the water kind of?:
- This would explain one reason why he was compelled to accept the very strange gift of a boat and take the challenge.
- When it gets down to it Desmond's actions opened the island for Widmore's people to reach it.
- It is possible that Widmore or his compatriots had control of the island during the Dharma days. I am saying this because of the dharma logos on the freighter.
- Widmore had the Black Rock diary and perhaps a picture of the BR in his bedroom (?). So, he has an obvious stake or interest in the fate of the ship.
- I haven't decided if Widmore is the leader of the faction or the chosen one of a faction whose leader we may not be sure of - perhaps of the Others during the time of the DI.
- The DI seemed to show up pretty unexpectedly when Ben was born. It could be that they were waiting to get control of Ben, so that Alpert or Abaddon couldn't have him. After all, since Alpert was at Locke's birth they may have a way to detect possible "chosen one" births or it may be familial lineage that they are monitoring.
Alpert gets Ben (the Book of Laws) as the leader:
- Ben proves leadership by following the orders to kill the DI and his father.
- He also continues to show leadership with the others and doesn't start to incur the wrath of the island (his cancer) until he starts to have problems with leadership in his camp. I believe this could be when Juliet comes to the island and he acts so strange making the others somewhat wary of him. Obsession often brings down leaders.
The Island chooses who it favors at the time and represents destiny (remember Ben's line about destiny?). The island may be represented by Jacob.
Now, perhaps Alpert wants to change Locke from the hunter to the leader in order to strip Abaddon of his chosen one and/or replace Ben. Therefore, he has Locke do the same deed as Ben. Only, Locke takes even more of a leadership role in the death of his father by designating the task to another who he knows will do his dirty work (Sawyer) and using manipulative tactics. At this point, the island (who may not be seeming to favor Alpert's group as much) sees Locke as it's new chosen one and whoever he belongs to (Abaddon or Alpert) will be the ruling faction of the island.
Now, as far as Black Rock I was thinking:
Widmore (financier/investor of BR - may have ruled during Dharma days which also takes heavy investment)
Abaddon (slaves being transported)
Alpert (ship crew)
So, all this could be the playing out of an ancient battle over the island. It's probably not the first time that the island had controlling factions and it probably won't be the last. I believe the island represents almost an obsessive type of destiny. It may be that the old spirits of the island (Jacob, the whispers) are waging a never ending war by trapping anyone who enters their domain into the cycle of battle. In fact, the statue may represent an ancient race that once played one of the same roles now played by Alpert, Widmore or Abaddon.
I am going through the episodes now and working on refining the theory quite a bit. I'm thinking the whispers could be the disembodied voices of anyone who died on the island, but particularly the original civilizations. Notice that the island seems to be constantly working to split up groups. Even the plane splits into three. The obvious example is the split between the John and Locke camps. However, if you go deeper even the work of the Dharma project seems to pit groups against each other. After all, they had people spying on another group and then writing notes. It is obvious that nobody cared what they had to write since the tubes were flying off into the jungle in a heap, so the whole thing just seems like a project in creating or studying conflict/ human group behavior.
Furthermore, I've noticed that not all the "ancient" looking architecture and art jives stylistically. Some is Egyptian (hieroglyphics) and some is Greco-Roman (columns and "foot" statue). I doubt that all of it would be made by a single civilization. Egyptians had a less realistic figures that tended to be in a stiff sideways position. Whereas, the Romans had more realistic and relaxed poses. (I know there was mixing after the spread of the Roman empire, such as the Fayum masks, but I doubt the writers would go that deeply into it just to trick the audience).
I am also tossing around the idea that the electromagnetism not only effects time but may be the means to make the disembodied inhabitants either manifest in a corporeal way or inhabit dead bodies. We know now that Christian, for example, is solid since he could hold Aaron. I love rational science, so the Ghost Hunter-like EMF causing manifestation idea almost goes against my very nature.
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